The investigators are now filing in
and the reporters are getting ready...
...to cover this news conference.
Many parents in the community
will be breathing a sigh of relief...
...if this indeed is the break
that police have been waiting for.
Chief Inspector Gary Gitchell
is about to begin...
...and he's also bringing in
some photographs.
Obviously these will probably be
photographs of the suspects.
Of course, suspects unofficially
at this point, although many believe...
...in this triple murder
of the three 8-year-old boys.
Arrested at 2:44 p.m., Thursday,
June the 3rd, 1993.
Jessie Lloyd Misskelley.
Jessie Misskelley is 17 years of age.
Charles Jason Baldwin.
He is 16 years of age.
Michael Wayne Echols.
Mr Echols is 18 years of age.
He is charged with three counts
of capital murder.
Were you surprised
when these guys were arrested?
I was surprised about Jason...
...because he's, like, the quiet one
of them all.
But I wasn't surprised about
Jessie Misskelley and Damien Echols...
...because I just expected it out of them
sooner or later.
Killer!
When the police were asking
for clothing...
...so they could give it to the dogs
to pick up scent...
...the bandana here was the only thing
that I had in my household...
...that had Stevie's scent on it.
I've never washed it.
When I get the need to just want
to feel him again...
...I'll grab it and I'll hug it...
...and I'm so thankful
I feel an embrace back.
I was walking the route
to take Stevie to school...
...and I checked him out,
I believe, at 2:30.
Stevie told me a hundred times,
probably a thousand, on the way home:
"I love you, mama." "I love you too,
son." And it was just constant.
We got home, first thing I asked him,
"Do you have any homework?"
He said, "I did, but I did it in school."
And he hung his homework
on the refrigerator.
And Michael Moore came up...
...and they started asking,
could Stevie go to Michael's house?
And I said, "No, I'm getting ready
for work, I'm cooking supper."
Both of them, you know, begging:
"Please, please, please, we'll be back,"
and all that.
I gave in and I said, "Okay." I said,
"But, boy, you better be home by 4:30.
If you're not, I'm gonna ground you
for two weeks from that bike."
I'm gonna say Christopher
probably arrived at the house...
...around 3:35 maybe,
and he asked me if Stevie was there.
I told him, I said,
"I'm surprised you didn't run into him...
...because him and Michael just left."
He left and he was gonna go
searching for Stevie and Michael.
Well, around 4:45, Stevie had--
Still hadn't arrived.
Terry came in. I told Terry,
"Well, let's go ahead and leave."
We went ahead,
and he took me to work.
My night at work was a normal night.
Terry walked in, to the phone,
didn't say hi, bye, nothing.
He just walked to the phone...
...and I took two pieces of candy
to the car and Amanda was there...
...and I asked her, "Where's Bubba?"
She said, "Mama, we can't find him."
And I thought the worst,
that he was dead.
I got out of the car, went through
this door, got out of my uniform...
...put sweats on and put a T-shirt on.
Because all I was trying to focus on
is where's Stevie, where's he at...
...and I gotta get out there,
and I gotta start searching.
Last time we saw him
was about 6:30 yesterday evening.
- What's--? Give me your name.
- My name is Mark Byers.
Okay. Has your son,
has this ever happened before?
None of the boys have ever
gone off anywhere.
None of the three have ever been
missing or taken off ever before.
What's going through your mind
as a parent?
I'm scared to death.
That's, you know, plain and simple.
I'm scared for the safety
and welfare of all three boys.
That particular day,
I'd called the West Memphis P.D.
The dispatcher Lucy
answered the phone.
She said, "We've had three children
missing since last night."
I said, "Well, you know,
I'm gonna go help too."
I'm not seeing anything.
Not seeing no kids running around
on bicycles or nothing.
And then I thought
about Robin Hood Trails...
...as I was driving down Goodwyn,
and I said:
"Well I'll-- I'm gonna go over there,
just get out and walk around."
I was looking around, you know,
just physically looking out and about.
And then I looked into the small ditch.
That's where I saw the tennis shoe at.
I called
West Memphis Police Department...
...to have Mike Allen meet me out here.
And so I showed him the area
of the tennis shoe.
And Mike had said
he was going to take it out.
Mike fell into the water.
I was looking down on him like this.
He looked up and I said, "What?"
And he said, "It feels like my leg
is caught on something.
Like a log or something."
And Mike fell backwards,
and when he fell backwards...
...his leg came up...
...and one of the little bodies
was on his leg.
From the moment they told me
Stevie was dead...
...I really lost it,
lost all touch with reality.
Pam Hobbs' son, Steve,
and two of his friends...
...were found murdered
Thursday before last.
It's more a part of my life
than I would like it to be.
Because frankly I'd like to be able...
...to not have those three 8-year-old
boys' pictures in my mind.
What you found,
you found three boys...
...that had been hog-tied
and thrown in the water.
It appeared
that they had been sexually mutilated.
That appears to be cult-related.
The West Memphis Police Department...
...a lot of times would ask me about
occult things as though I were the guru.
I probably was because there wasn't
anybody else that was doing it.
This programme is designed to help
law enforcement officers...
...better understand Satanic cults.
I got some books and I spoke to police
organisations around the country...
...that had some experience with it.
Okay, we have a rope here.
If you look at it closely--
I don't know
if the camera can pick this up.
--but there's blood on this noose.
The police department asked me
to put together a list of people...
...that we had on probation that might
be involved in that type of activity.
Well, the guy that I knew
that was involved the most in it...
...was Damien Echols.
The two guys he ran with,
Jessie and Jason....
Jessie would fight.
Jason was not very aggressive,
in that respect...
...but I believe he would do anything
that Damien asked him to do.
Eight months have passed
since the three boys were killed.
Cameras are in place
and miles of cable laid...
...in preparation for this
highly publicised murder trial.
I guess they found that those three
were the most likely to have done it.
Move back.
And then, of course,
they had the confession from Jessie.
The most compelling evidence yet
was introduced in open court.
Misskelley's taped confession
made to police.
I saw Damien hit this one....
Hit this one boy real bad.
Then he start screwing him and stuff.
Jason turned around
and hit Steve Branch...
...and started doing the same thing.
Michael Moore took off running,
so I chased him...
...and grabbed him and held him
until they got there, and then I left.
If he does not run through the woods...
...and chase him down and bring
him back, Michael Moore lives.
Did Damien invite you
to some meeting?
- He did. A cult, Satanic meeting.
- Okay.
Tell me some of the things
y'all do, being in this cult.
We go out...
...kill dogs and stuff.
Some of my friends had said
they saw a hog's head out here...
...and they saw the body
in a plastic bag.
The state is now trying to prove
motive in this case...
...calling this a cult-related killing.
Whether that will be enough...
...to sway the women and men sitting
on this jury remains to be seen.
Damien, any comment
about the charges?
Did you do it?
I got a letter in the mail telling me
that I had summons to be on the jury.
And I didn't want to be on there
in the beginning.
But I didn't know how to get out of it.
Is it your opinion
and do you want to tell this jury...
...that these crimes were motivated
by occult beliefs?
Yes.
Blood is the life force.
They prefer to have a child
that is young.
There's evidence of genital mutilation,
and the red is the shaft of the penis.
Jason told me
how he dismembered the kid.
He sucked the blood from the penis
and the scrotum...
...and put the balls in his mouth.
You take this knife and drag it,
and it rips and tears.
The knife is being twisted
and the victim is moving.
Just like in the picture.
Damien, he had a book
that he wrote in. It was pretty dark.
A lot of death, a lot of--
He talked about dead children.
"Thirsty for blood
and the terror of mortal men.
Look favourably on my sacrifice."
I think they went out in the woods.
They may not have been meaning
to kill them.
And then it just got out of control.
And Damien,
I think he was the mastermind...
...over Jason and Misskelley.
I do believe that. I do.
You begin to see inside
Damien Echols.
And you look inside there
and there's not a soul in there.
I know he's guilty, you know.
I can't imagine the fear going
through them boys...
...watching one another get killed.
- Knowing they was next.
- I can't believe the heinous crime.
"We, the jury, find Damien Echols guilty
of capital murder...
...in the death of Stevie Branch.
Guilty of capital murder
in the death of Chris Byers.
Guilty of capital murder
in the death of Michael Moore."
A message has to be sent.
You can't be involved in murder...
...and expect to get away with it.
Misskelley was sentenced to life in
prison for the murder of Michael Moore.
And 40 years for the murders of
Steven Branch and Christopher Byers.
"We have determined that Jason
Baldwin shall be sentenced...
...to life imprisonment without parole."
If I'd been on the jury,
I sure would have found them guilty.
If there is ever an appropriate case
for the death penalty in Arkansas...
- ...you've got it in your hands now.
- That they burn in hell.
They wanna worship the devil,
let them meet him. I hope they do soon.
"We the jury have determined
that Damien Echols...
...shall be sentenced to death
by lethal injection."
I was kind of, I guess, happy,
if I could--
Might say that word, that everybody
else was as angry at them as I was.
Now my boy can play...
...and go on about his life in heaven
the way it is...
...and I'll go on with mine
the best I can.
And I'm glad it's over.
It's like the community felt
like they were relieved...
...that somebody was behind bars...
...and that they didn't have to be as
scared as they were. They were guilty.
This call originates from
an Arkansas correctional facility.
I have a prepaid call from:
- Damien.
- An inmate at Varner Unit.
If you wish to accept-- Thank you.
Damien and I probably have
5000 letters...
...that we've written to each other
over the past 15-- Fourteen, 15 years.
You know, it's the way
we got to know each other.
I saw the film Paradise Lost,
which is a documentary...
...that was made about
the original trial.
I was living in New York City
at the time...
...and I saw it at probably
the second time it was screened.
We were just watching TV
the night we were arrested.
We were in the bedroom,
turned the light off.
To hear Damien talk in that film,
he reminds me so much of myself.
Did she tell you whenever
she awarded herself...
...the first-place prize...
...and rode in a parade?
She had this sign on the side
of a car that's saying...
..."first place" and it's got
a blue ribbon on it.
And it was not even a contest!
She just gave herself "first place."
After a series of letters, writing,
corresponding with him...
...and then I cared deeply about him.
And the next thing I know,
I'm in Arkansas.
When I was
a real little kid, I had, uhh...
...a pet turtle for a while. A box turtle.
Did you do any painting on its shell?
I most certainly did not.
We did.
Seeing the film, you realise
something has gone wrong.
You don't get the full picture
because there's so much to the story...
...as we've learned,
as it's unfolded over the years.
I was struck by the fact that these
people didn't commit these crimes.
They don't have the right people
in prison.
Questions about whether
justice was served...
...have loomed in this case
since the verdicts.
The HBO documentary Paradise Lost
gave the case worldwide attention.
I'm so glad to see so many people here,
people who are interested in this case.
When I started to write Devil's Knot,
my friends said, "Mara, they did it."
And I said, "Well, that may be,
and if that's true I'm gonna find out."
This was probably the first
crowd-sourced criminal investigation...
...in history,
is about the only way to describe it.
The case was supposedly solved.
If it was an open case...
...the West Memphis Police wouldn't be
required to make available documents.
The West Memphis Police put together
an incredibly large investigation.
Even if a lot of it was nonsense
and rumours.
So we could take on the case,
we could begin to ask the questions.
We can look at Jessie's confession
and we could say:
"Wait a second,
what did he really say...
...compared to what he was claimed
to have said?"
From the start, after Jessie Misskelley
made his statement to police...
...it was recorded, transcribed.
And then it was immediately leaked
to The Commercial Appeal.
I read the confession on the front page
of the Memphis Commercial Appeal...
...just like everybody else did.
And it seemed like it happened.
When we were appointed
by the court in 1993...
...we thought it wasn't gonna be
a jury trial.
We thought it was gonna be a plea.
As I got deeper into the case
and looked at things...
...they just didn't start making sense.
Misskelley's versions
of what happened changed wildly...
...and he couldn't get the story right
every time or any time.
Everybody round here knew that
Jessie didn't do it.
He didn't like Damien,
he was scared of him.
He, uh, stayed away from him
as much as possible.
Well, he wasn't too good in school.
Had to take him out of school...
...and I got him started
doing mechanic work.
He caught on pretty good.
When I was growing up,
my dad always taught me, you know....
Tell the truth.
Tell the police the truth. I thought
the police was there to help you.
That's when they, uhh,
started questioning me.
Gary Gitchell and Bryn Ridge was...
...you know,
asking me some questions.
You know, about the kids.
And I tell them,
"I didn't know nothing about it."
The only thing I knew was what,
you know....
What I was told...
...from another guy.
I mean, I kept telling them
the whole time, "I wanna go home.
I wanna go home."
Certainly one of the reasons behind
why he confessed is...
...that he's borderline
mentally retarded.
He was trying to compose a story
as though he was there.
He just didn't have the details.
Right after, uh, they beat up
all three of them.
Beat them up real bad?
And then they took their clothes off?
Mm..hmm. And then they--
Then they tied them?
Then they tied them up.
Tied their hands up.
And about what time was it
that all this was taking place?
I was there about 12.
About noon?
Okay.
Was it after school had let out?
I didn't go to school.
It couldn't have happened at noon.
It couldn't have happened
before the kids were out of school.
So they kept leading him down the path
from noon to 4:30, 5:30, 6:30.
Was it getting dark?
Your time period might not be
exactly right, what you're saying.
Police officers don't like
the word "interrogation."
They like the word "interview."
So Mr Misskelley wasn't interviewed,
he was interrogated.
And he was interrogated from 9:00
in the morning until after dark.
This is an entire day
that he was being interrogated...
...yet we only had a few minutes
of the audio tape.
Jessie....
About what time was it
when the boys came up to the woods?
I'd say it was about--
It was about 5 or so.
Five or 6.
Ummm....
All right, you told me earlier
it was around 7 or 8 or....
Which time is it?
- It's 7 or 8.
- Okay.
I remember
it was starting to get dark.
Okay, well, that clears it up.
We all have our breaking points. I think
it's important that people realise...
...that this is not just about a person...
...with disabilities
falsely confessing to a crime.
This is about police misconduct.
That's what this is about.
Once police convince
the person to make a statement...
...against their interest, how
does that person know what to say?
Did anyone use a stick...
...and hit the boys with?
Damien had
a kind of a big old stick...
...when he hit that first one.
It's because of this phenomenon
known as contamination...
...the police will suggest facts
about how the crime happened.
What was to keep these
little boys from running off?
Were their hands tied...
...in a fashion to where
they couldn't have run? You tell me.
They're sitting there
listening to the police.
Listening to their interrogators
ask those leading questions.
"Were these boys sexually assaulted?"
Then they know what story to tell back.
Another boy was cut, I understand.
Where was he cut at?
- At the bottom?
- On his bottom?
Do you mean right here?
In his groin area?
Do you know what his penis is?
Yeah, that's where
he was cut at.
Did it ever occur to you
that what he was telling you was false?
- His entire story was false?
- Jessie simply got confused. That's all.
I mean, Jessie was not convicted
on the basis of his confession.
And neither was Damien and Jason.
They were convicted on the basis
of Gary Gitchell's confession.
That was his story.
All they had to do
was get Jessie to agree to it.
It's not particularly difficult
to get a confession from someone...
...who's mentally handicapped.
It's like interviewing a 3- or 4-,
5-year-old child.
People don't tend to confess to crimes
that they didn't commit.
You know, I'm sure
there may be circumstances...
...where a person might
have a low mentality.
He's slow-minded, is what it is,
you know what I mean?
It took a while for him to, you know,
get things straight in his mind.
Kind of slow-minded, you know.
Well, hell, everybody's a little bit
slow-minded anyway.
I just have better faith
in our law enforcement...
...than to force somebody
to make a statement that's untrue.
I think that it was essentially poisoned
from the very beginning.
The most basic things
about the investigations...
...talking to the family members.
Getting statements from police
that evening.
You know, whether they had these alibis
or not, but it wasn't done.
And it's why the case went bad.
Y'all need to be investigating
some of these people...
...who've been arrested
for child molestation.
Well, it's like this.
We've got a story
that is very, very believable.
It is so close to perfect
that we have to believe it.
I don't see how
anyone could believe it.
Jessie Misskelley said it happened
that morning and everything.
Jason was in school.
And then Jason mowed
his uncle's yard.
He got some money,
went to play video games.
I called Jason's house,
and Jason and Damien...
...and Jason's brother
were playing video games.
They weren't talking much.
I got a little irritated at them.
Damien asked me to call him
later that night.
There was never a night
that we never spoke.
I remember that we had talked
that night.
When I spoke to police and they came
one afternoon and they spoke to me...
...and I talked to them once
and that was it.
"On 9-10-1993, I met Jennifer Bearden
at her residence in Bartlett, Tennessee.
The interview was a result
of having obtained information...
...that she'd been on the phone
with Damien on the day of the homicide.
She informed me of several times
when she'd been on the phone...
...with Damien and Jason after school.
And until about 9:30 p.m.
on the evening of 5-5-'93."
I was never given a chance
to at least give them, you know...
...an alibi to the jury, I mean.
And honestly, I don't think
it would have changed their minds.
I think they were pretty dead-set
on what they were gonna decide.
The evidence will show...
...that not only was Mr Misskelley
not in Robin Hood Hills...
...at the time of these homicides, he was
in a different county 40 miles away...
...the time these crimes occurred.
There were a lot of alibi witnesses.
When was the first time
you remember seeing Jessie?
At 2:00.
Jessie came to the house.
I asked if he could watch the kids
while I went to a conference.
She got back about 4:00
and we went walking.
I seen him walking down the street.
I met him on the corner.
Talking about him fixing to leave
to go to wrestling.
A lot of these folks, when we went back
and visited with them...
...they came to the conclusion,
"Oh, yeah, that's the night...
...that we went wrestling with Jessie."
- Did you go wrestling?
- Yes, sir, I did.
- Okay, do you remember who went?
- Jessie, Freddy.
Me and Jessie and Freddy...
...and James was at wrestling
that night, you know.
And that's the night that he got hurt.
And that's the night
that so-and-so only went with us...
- Once.
- ...one time.
That was the same night that we signed
this register at the wrestling hall.
- Do you remember seeing Misskelley?
- Yes, sir.
- You remember Jessie Misskelley?
- Yes, sir.
- Are you positive about that?
- Yes, sir.
Looking through the juror's notes,
they hardly seemed to pay attention...
...during the alibi portion of it.
You could say I sort of, like, died myself
because I shut out humanity...
...and I didn't like people,
I was a hateful person...
...and before this happened
I wasn't that type of person.
Words can't explain what the grief,
and what you go through....
We have found this to be
a world of its own.
We had quite a few arguments
and stuff because I couldn't let go.
He told me I had to let it go,
I had to keep living...
...and I told him I was still in that ditch
just as much as my son was...
...and I was clawing my way out of it
the best way that I knew how.
I left Terry in 2002
and we were divorced in 2004.
I do think that you can meet someone
and know that there's something there.
That there's some journey there
for you.
But I think it takes a long,
it does take a long time...
...and I think it's a painful process,
actually.
I was talking about it and how really and
truly stressed out you were that day.
It was the first time you'd been touched
by anybody, like, in seven years.
And I'll never forget you were, like,
so completely pale.
And you were shaking,
and I kind of thought...
...you were gonna pass out
at one point.
It was a Buddhist ceremony,
and we kind of wrote it ourselves and--
They had a little-- We had a little
temple set up or a little altar set up...
We did.
...incense burning on it.
You know, they had two guards up
there watching the whole thing.
And you could tell they had no idea...
...you know,
what the hell was going on.
So they just pretty much
stayed out of the way.
We'd intersperse lots of, you know,
bowing, then kissing and hugging.
I think you're supposed to only kiss
once or something in the ceremony.
We just-- We made it seem like
it was a part of the ceremony.
So that was nice,
that was really nice.
But, you know, back then
it was nothing like it is now, you know...
...with the people who knew
about the case.
So it was kind of nice
because it was real low-key.
I had talked to Lorri. She had
come out to talk about the case.
My attitude at the time was,
you know, we cannot do this.
They were adamant that this should be
and was a case about innocence.
"We don't want you to focus on death
versus life without parole.
This is a case about innocence."
My reaction was,
if it is a case about innocence...
...what they said is that
there's all of this investigation...
...that has to be done on the ground
in Arkansas.
And we're, you know, a two-lawyer
partnership in San Francisco.
How are we possibly gonna get
the resources to get on the ground...
...and really investigate
a case in Arkansas?
Lorri Davis said,
"I'll find a way to do it."
I've quit my job, my other job,
so I that can work full-time on the case.
Attorneys for Damien Echols are
appealing their client's conviction...
...on Arkansas Rule 37,
ineffective counsel.
Prosecutors disagree.
It was effective, it was thorough.
It was a 17-day trial.
Outside the court,
supporters unveiled a banner...
...of more than 2500 postcards...
...each pleading to free
the West Memphis Three.
It was always about
free the West Memphis Three.
We were raising funds and it wasn't
even to raise money for their defence.
It was to raise money
so they had money when they got out.
Because the day was coming soon.
I decided it should be
Black Flag songs.
I called Iggy Pop, he said sure.
I called Lemmy, he said, "I'm in."
Called Chuck D from Public Enemy,
he said, "You got it."
All to help these three guys
who I'd never met.
I went to your benefit show in '03
for the West Memphis Three.
It was like the best concert
I've ever been to.
- See?
- I can't believe this is still going on.
Yeah, well. I saw a little bit of myself.
Damien liked to hang out alone...
...and wrote in his journals
that he was depressed. Hello.
He liked to listen to weird music.
Check.
He was a wise-ass
in the face of law enforcement.
I mean, are you kidding?
It could have been me.
Could have been me.
Not everyone agreed
with Rollins' message.
The parents of the murdered children
showed displeasure with picket signs.
My baby was murdered
and butchered like an animal...
...and his two friends were too.
Whatever punishment they get,
they deserve.
Michael's mother, Diana Moore, agrees,
telling us, "Make no mistake about it.
These three you see convicted
and sentenced did it."
I started getting very passionate,
very sincere hate mail.
Because if you are seen to be
sticking up for someone...
...who someone else truly believes
has murdered a child...
...there's no way you can reason
with that person.
I remember thinking that
if we could get involved...
...we'd probably get them out
in maybe one or two years.
That's how naive I was.
It's usually on average
of like 15 to 20 years.
If you would have told us that
three or four years in...
...I think it would have been
quite daunting.
This is the first e-mail that I received
from Fran and Peter, and it's 7-25-'05.
"What a horror story, unbelievable.
Something positive
has to come from this.
What can we do down here
in New Zealand?
Our names are Peter Jackson
and Fran Walsh.
We would like to offer financial
assistance to help facilitate, hopefully...
...a positive outcome in Damien's
appeal to the federal court."
When Fran and I first got involved...
...it felt like the case
was in a holding pattern.
But it wasn't a holding pattern
for Damien's chances of staying alive.
That doesn't go into a holding pattern.
"Dear Fran and Peter,
your e-mail was a welcome sight...
...on a very hot Monday morning
here in Arkansas.
My name is Lorri Davis...
...and I have been involved
in working on the case for nine years.
There are many twists
and turns to the story.
It's still incredibly frustrating.
Appeal's taking forever
and funds always needed."
I have a pathological hatred
of bullying and people in power...
...crapping on people who have
no ability to defend themselves.
I believe in justice. I think there are
good people and bad people.
People do horrible things
and should be punished.
Justice should be fair,
it should be honourable...
...it should be decent, it should speak
to our values as human beings...
...that right must prevail.
And all that I could see in the case
of the West Memphis Three is...
...wrong was prevailing and that wrong
was being perpetrated by people...
...who, I believe,
knew they were doing wrong.
Most people think that this case
is something extraordinary.
It's spectacular in some sort of way,
and it's not. Burnett and Fogleman...
...thought they could make a name
for themselves off of this case.
Because, really,
you're dealing with three kids...
...who were bottom of the barrel,
poor white trash...
...that nobody's ever gonna
ask another question about.
He thought they would say, "Guilty."
This whole thing would be swept
under the rug.
The state would kill me.
Jason and Jessie would spend
their lives in prison.
He'd move up the political ladder.
That's all he cared about.
This case is nothing out of
the ordinary. This happens all the time.
How did I decide
which trial would go first?
And the reason I'm hesitating,
I'm trying to think if that's a question...
...that I should be answering.
In general, a case with a confession...
...would be your easier case as opposed
to one without direct evidence.
- Ten feet, ma'am. Back up.
- Okay.
Are you gonna testify
against your co-defendants?
Jessie, were you forced to talk
about this?
The prosecutors had a problem.
They could not play the tape...
...of Misskelley's statement
at the second trial.
They needed Mr Misskelley to testify.
They thought they were gonna lose
the other two.
Are you worried about his testimony?
Judge Burnett appointed Phillip Wells
to interview Mr Misskelley...
...to make sure he didn't really,
really, really want to testify...
...against Baldwin and Echols.
Here's a young 18-year-old,
under a lot of stress...
...facing life plus 40 in penitentiary.
He has to make sure whatever options...
...and offers are available to him
are looked into or communicated.
Promises of lesser sentences,
you know, a much easier life in prison.
Many defendants would have
jumped on that deal. Jessie said no.
They can't come up
with physical evidence.
They've got to turn to witnesses
who they can convince...
...to give statements in court. That's
the only evidence they come up with.
Just when it seemed attorneys for
the state had their back against a wall...
...Craighead County Courthouse
came to an eerie silence...
...as 16-year-old Michael Carson,
a former juvenile inmate...
...who spent time with Baldwin,
took the stand.
I was doing serious adult drugs and,
I mean, I was doing a lot of them.
I got out there.
I thought birds had cameras on them.
Michael Carson, he was fixing
to go to the penitentiary...
...for several counts
of residential burglary...
...and that is when the prosecutor
got a hold of him.
Were you offered anything
as far as a reward...
...or anything of that nature?
No, sir, and if I was,
I would deny it.
Jason was not very outspoken.
He wasn't, you know,
jumping around and stuff.
He's a very quiet,
to-himself type of person.
- What did he tell you?
- He told me...
...how he dismembered the kid...
...he sucked the blood
from the penis and scrotum...
...and put the balls in his mouth.
I remember not knowing
why I was doing what I was doing.
I remember it actually going
through my head.
I would have this massive illusion in
my head and swear to God it was real.
And the kids, that night I let them listen
to the news...
...and they just went crazy.
They said, "He's a lying son of a bitch.
Jason didn't tell him nothing."
I could understand why he would
never want to see me again...
...or talk to me again, but I'm just
telling him right now that I'm sorry.
I made the statement to Larry,
the sheriff.
I said,
"Larry, those kids are not guilty."
He said, "Joyce."
He said, "It's this simple.
Crittenden County fucked up,
now we've got to clean up."
I'm a drug addict.
I was doing a lot of inhalants, LSD,
I was huffing gas all the time.
It's bad. It takes your whole perspective
on life and makes it a dream.
And they knew that.
They knew the drugs that I was doing.
Did you walk in those woods
in the winter?
Yeah, that was the best time
because during summer...
...it's really marshy.
During the winter it was froze,
the ground would be froze solid.
So you didn't have to worry about
all the mud and all that business.
I love the thought of being out there.
The cool, dark part of the year,
it's my absolute favourite time of year.
Part of it was that whenever I was out...
...that was always the time of year
whenever I felt the safest.
Because most people, whenever
it gets cold, you know, they're not out.
So it's almost like at that time of year
the entire world is almost yours.
Nobody else wants it.
Jason and I would talk about leaving
that place, moving out of that place...
...but we were so young that it never
was a definite plan, it was always just...
...we've got to get the hell out of here.
The thing that Jason always loved
was art. You know, painting...
...drawing, things like that.
He would do these paintings
that were absolutely incredible...
...when he had art class in school.
The teacher would refuse
to grade them.
She would say,
"That's not what I told you to paint.
That's not what I told you to draw,
I don't want to see one more skull."
She would say, you know, "You were
assigned to do a still-life of flowers."
Jason was like, "Fuck that, I'm not
doing that, it's not what I want to do."
I've jokingly said to Lorri before
that I think that, in a lot of ways...
...I may have brought this on myself,
this entire situation.
Because when I was a child
I knew what my passion was...
...I knew what my drive was, I knew
what my desire was. I loved magic.
I would say to myself, you know,
these names that people think of.
I would say, "One day my name
is gonna eclipse all of them.
I'm gonna be the greatest magician
there's ever been."
And I had no idea that that meant
I would have 20 years...
...to sit alone in a prison cell
and practise and study.
But that's a word
that you don't even use here...
...because when people
hear the word "magic"...
...anything even remotely
connected to magic...
...has to be evil in some kind of way.
I noticed that Damien...
...he had on kind of a black
duster-looking coat and carried a staff.
And I-- You know,
that's kind of weird-looking.
But that's one of the things
that I testified to in the court hearing.
Damien, Jason...
...and Jessie had no motive
whatsoever to kill these three boys.
You know,
boys that they didn't even know.
And so, therefore, the state went
to the only motiveless theory...
...they could possibly go to.
We thought that the best thing
to do would be to...
...actually get some expert analysis
on the crime itself.
As far as we could see the best person
to get would be John Douglas...
...who was there at the creation
of the FBI Behavioural Science Unit.
From the evidence and the crime scene,
they start to put a picture together...
...of who committed the crime
and why they committed the crime.
My role when I was brought in was
primarily to analyse the case to see...
...does it really fit the three people
they have in prison?
I didn't wanna know anything
about them.
I don't want to become prejudiced
and be swayed in any way.
If I do an analysis like this, you may not
like what I say. I'm not a hired gun.
When I work on a case like this,
I work for the victims.
No matter who brings me in,
I'm working for the victims.
This appeared to be
what we call a lust murder.
There's blunt-force trauma inflicted
on these children.
There was evidence of sexual
mutilation to one of the victims.
Three victims were hog-tied
with their shoelaces...
...from their wrists to their ankles.
And on the surface, it appeared
to be a sexually motivated crime.
The focus of the investigation
is always on the families.
You start from there,
and you work your way out.
There were some police notes...
...where they had looked
into the possibility...
...that a stepfather might be involved.
They take me back
to the police station and said:
"We have information
that you are involved in this crime...
...and that you did it."
I may have information
that you have something to do...
...with the disappearance of the boys,
and, ultimately, of the murder.
It's almost more than I can believe,
you know, what you just said to me.
And it makes me so mad inside...
...that I just kind of got to hold myself
here in this chair.
I had hair removed.
I had to have over 30 pubic hairs
pulled out, plus the roots.
We're gonna interview
the other two fathers.
We're gonna ask them
the same questions.
They said, "We're gonna do
the other family members...
...just like we gonna do you."
The assumption is that the crime was
unusual, it was bizarre, grotesque.
Even when
Paradise Lost 2 comes out...
...and they are presenting
an alternative scenario...
...they're going to an equally theatrical
possible perpetrator, John Mark Byers.
"Dearest Damien.
There are many things we can do...
...that can shed light on the truth
of what happened to those boys.
It is impossible
to do something this heinous...
...and not leave a personal imprint.
We need to do extensive
investigative work on Byers...
...investigative work
that the police failed to do."
I went down to the Memphis area
and conducted...
...an interview with Mark Byers, or
attempted to conduct an interview.
I knocked on his door,
he came out, his wife came out...
...and pretty much,
he wanted to kick me off his porch.
He didn't wanna talk to me.
It was daily grind, fighting on the
Internet with people, being in a place...
...and someone recognising me
and get up and go call their friends...
...then all of a sudden, I got a mob,
and I got to sneak out the back door...
...because I know
a ass-kicking's coming.
"We need to find Mark Byers' living
relatives. We need to find Ryan Clark.
We need to figure out a strategy
for getting him to talk.
We need to know where
and at what time...
...they went looking for Christopher
on May 5th.
We need to locate all
of Byers' vehicles...
...that he owned at that time
and Luminol-test them.
We need to access
Byers' ex-residence...
...and Luminol-test every floor surface
in the house.
Lots of questions,
and not many answers.
But right now we're still
stumbling around in the dark...
...looking for a light switch."
Mark Byers, he had a tough life.
He has a criminal history, got busted
for some prescription drugs.
But he is not the type of personality
that would perpetrate a crime...
...like the crimes I was looking at
here in West Memphis.
When we learned the case...
...the timeline just didn't add up to us.
Beyond the theatrical nature
of Mark Byers...
...he didn't have a motive,
he didn't actually have the opportunity.
It became clear to us that...
...you know,
people were looking at Byers...
...because they thought he was
the sort of person who could do this.
And our reaction to that was
the reason Damien got convicted...
...was that people thought he was
the sort of person who could do this.
When I was in the Bureau...
...we came up with a crime
classification manual we designed.
We considered Satanic...
...because these cops were
bringing back these cases to us.
Satanic murders, Satanic murders.
There were classes being offered
all over the country.
Oprah Winfrey had shows...
...Geraldo Rivera had shows,
it was all over here.
Another area that you might
find Satanic ritual carving...
...is in the stomach area.
This is not a Satanic--
This is not a ritual. It's a murder.
It's a murder maybe by one crazy guy.
If you're calling this Satanic,
we could have...
...just as many murders
where a Bible is left there.
Does that make it a Christian murder?
It's a Bible? I mean, no, it's nuts.
It's just one, you know, crazy person.
Police say Satanists in our area...
...often conduct their rituals
in remote, wooded areas.
At some point did Damien invite you
to some meeting?
He did.
The West Memphis Police
didn't seem interested...
...in corroborating anything,
they just took everything at face value.
- A cult, Satanic meeting.
- Okay.
I got a phone call from
a lawyer in Fayetteville...
...who had Vicki Hutcheson
sitting at her desk.
Would you raise your right hand?
Said, "She's ready to recant her trial
testimony, how fast can you get here?"
She obviously asked for immunity
from the state...
...which they refused to grant.
So here's the State of Arkansas at
the Rule 37 hearings still stonewalling...
...still refusing to let the truth shine
on this case.
Damien and I stood back...
...and then these kids
took their clothes off...
...and I looked at Damien...
...and I said, "I want to leave."
I testified to it...
...but I lied on the stand.
It was frightening to listen to her
tell the truth...
...the truth that I knew had existed
all these years.
The truth that she wouldn't come out
and say...
...because she was afraid
of what would happen to her.
You mentioned that you went
and met...
...Jerry Driver
at the Marion Police Department.
I'm trying to remember.
I do, I know who she is.
It's just kind of back in my mind
somewhere.
What did they ask you to do?
Do I think--
They asked me, do I think
I could get, um, Jessie...
...to introduce me to Damien.
All we asked her was to go in
and see what she could find out.
Now that was with police department's
knowledge and consent.
He's the one that suggested:
"If you're gonna have Damien over,
you to need to have demon books...
...on your coffee table."
The only thing she was coached
to do was to not get caught...
...because we were actually afraid
that if she got caught, he'd kill her.
Damien looks down
at those demon book things.
And I said, "Why are you so nervous?"
And he said,
"Well, you'd be nervous too...
...if they thought you
killed three little kids."
And I said, "Why would they
think you, of all people?"
And he goes, "I'm-- Because I'm weird,
I guess, you know." And I was like--
I was like, "Well, did you kill them?"
He said, "Well, no! I wouldn't do
something like that," like I was stupid.
And he was just like any
other kid his age, you know.
He was just a normal kid.
Any other contact with Damien?
None at all.
I was just a big liar,
and I really was just a big liar.
I've spent a lot of the last 17 years
looking back...
...at what I should have done
and what I could have done.
You know, it would be easy for me
to say I did the best I could.
But I didn't. There's no substitute
for experience...
...and it's hard to look back.
It was before the trial when
Mr Fogleman was leaving my office...
...I stopped him in the hallway, and
I asked him, "Is this actually Satanic?
Is that what they're saying?"
And he-- His response was no,
it's not Satanic.
It's just murder.
It's not something made up,
it's not something dreamed up...
...it's not a figment
of our imagination.
The evidence was that this murder
had the trappings of an occult murder...
...a Satanic murder.
When you take the crime scene,
the injuries to these kids...
...the testimony about sucking of blood,
and there's a transference of power...
...from drinking of blood.
Could you have any reason
to understand...
...why someone would do that
to three 8-year-old boys?
Well, you know, everyone can say,
"Well, who did you tell?" Well, nobody.
I think this case was never about justice
because they knew we didn't do this.
Fogleman knew we did not do this.
Is it a coincidence this knife
is found in the lake...
...hidden behind
Jason Baldwin's house?
And the same person that this knife
is found behind is the person...
...that told Michael Carson
that he did it...
...and he sucked the blood out of
the kid's penis, is that a coincidence?
If you ask me,
the single greatest offence...
...committed in this case
is what was done by John Fogleman...
...with the knife in the lake.
Fogleman had divers search
a small lake behind the trailer park...
...where Baldwin lived.
That search produced a knife.
To go out there in this big pond
and to go right there...
...and in just less than 30 minutes
and come up with this-- This knife.
I mean, you win the lottery.
And then there's a reporter covering it.
We interviewed and have
the declaration of the diver.
He said that he was given
a description of the knife...
...and where it would be located.
The press said they were told--
And we have the reporter.
"Come to the lake,
we are about to make a discovery."
The prosecution knew the knife
was in the lake.
Nothing wrong with that.
You have an informant, they tell you:
"Oh, the crime was committed and
we know where the murder weapon is.
They committed the crime
and they threw it in the lake."
The thing is that informant
is of critical importance.
They're the one
who connects it to the crime.
They're the one who allows you
to say it was the murder weapon.
Why don't you call
that informant at trial?
Why instead do you tell a lie,
as John Fogleman did...
...and say, "I just had a hunch
it was in the lake"?
The reason is that John Fogleman
had been told how it got in the lake.
It was thrown in the lake
by Jason's mother.
All I know is my son is innocent,
and he has been quiet.
And so there's a connection to Jason.
Why not bring it forward?
Because the same people
who told them that it was in the lake...
...let him know that it was thrown
into the lake a year before the crime.
He knew that knife in the lake
had nothing to do with the crime...
...because he had been told
when it was thrown in the lake.
This knife, state's exhibit 77,
caused those injuries right there.
Dash, dash, dash.
I think the knife that was
in the courtroom was the one...
...that was used on the Byers boy.
I still think that.
People that found the bodies
and saw the wounds...
...said that it appeared
to be cult-related.
Serrations are consistent with
being inflicted with this type of knife.
The only way you can tell
if a serrated knife has been used...
...is by looking for the serrations
that rub across the skin.
Arkansas is one of the last
remaining states...
...that has a prosecutor-controlled
crime lab.
What that means is
the medical examiner is not a witness...
...for what actually happened, but he is
an actual arm of the prosecution.
At this time I would ask
that Dr Peretti...
...be allowed to show
the photographs and use....
One of the key elements of the case that
we wanted to get into was Frank Peretti.
Dr Frank Peretti was the assistant
medical examiner at the time...
...the autopsies were conducted.
He's not actually board-certified.
You get five chances to take
the board exams in Arkansas...
...and Frank Peretti
has failed them twice.
He's opted out of taking them again
for personal reasons.
His medical testimony at the trial
created a picture in the jury's mind...
...of a ritualistic, sexual murder.
These type of injuries we commonly
see in the female rape victim.
Trying to spread the legs
for penetration.
The anal orifice was dilated, it could be
from putting an object in the anus.
Those types of injuries
we generally see in children...
...who are forced to perform oral sex.
There's evidence of genital mutilation.
This is the cutting wound here...
...and the red is the shaft of the penis.
Cutting wounds, superficial cuts,
gouging-type injuries.
Multiple superficial, interrupted cuts,
multiple cuts.
Stab wounds and cutting wounds.
The knife is being twisted
and the victim is moving.
Gouging where the skin
has been pulled out.
Gouging wounds, cutting wounds,
stab wounds.
Skin is going to tear, skin has
just been pulled away, torn out.
Those were the most horrifying
photographs that anyone could imagine.
Those jurors were scared to death.
He's painting the picture in jury's minds
of an absolutely horrific murder.
Cruel and unusual.
It's what the jury hears coming out
of Frank Peretti's mouth...
...more than anything that sentences
Damien Echols to death.
We took our lead from Peretti himself...
...because during the trial he holds up
this textbook on forensic pathology.
It's written by Vincent DiMaio, who is
a renowned medical examiner in Texas.
I believe you indicated that Dr DiMaio
and you are on a first-name basis.
Yes, I did.
And so we went to DiMaio himself.
The thing that's most interesting in
this case is that while the autopsies...
...are done in exquisite detail...
...to me, the interpretation of the
findings are completely wrong.
There is nothing here that I would say
was due to a knife.
Either the cutting edge,
the tip or the back of a knife.
If you think about how stupid it is,
they're saying they're killing these kids.
And, you know, dragging the back
of a knife across them.
When I looked at the photographs...
...it's obvious that by the appearance
of the wounds...
...they had occurred after death.
If you're gonna torture and mutilate
someone, that's to cause pain to them.
But these wounds are postmortem...
...so why are you torturing
and mutilating dead bodies?
It doesn't make sense.
The irregular nature of the wounds,
some scratches.
There's no bleeding, there's no pattern.
To me, it's obvious animal activity.
We actually called the place back there
we used to ride our bikes...
...Turtle City. That's just behind there,
because there were so many turtles.
Everywhere, hundreds of them.
Painted turtles, snapping turtles,
soft-shell turtles, all kinds of turtles.
And they actually got such thing called
the alligator snapping turtle...
...that could be found. I mean....
Big turtles with humps in their back.
That make them look
kind of like alligators.
Our house was up against a ditch,
so we would go back.
There was a lot of them there,
turtles, fish and mud.
You'd see an armadillo that fell
in the water or got hit by a car...
...and there'd be like four or five turtles
just chewing on it.
Red flags should go up
when a body is pulled from the water.
Especially in the month of May.
At that latitude,
those reptiles are in high gear.
They're feeding at their highest level,
their most voracious appetites.
Just keep going, keep going.
This is the bite mark I'm looking for.
You can already start to see
the outline of the jaw.
The animals usually start
with soft tissue.
And the scrotum and the skin around
the penis is soft, they're coming off...
...so the animal doesn't have to
go against the body mass itself...
...but goes at the things
that are dangled in front of it.
And then they'll go to things like lips
and the tip of the nose and the ears.
What you're dealing with
is a horrendous crime.
Three young boys
murdered in cold blood.
Just that alone upsets people.
You look at the bodies and there's
these savage injuries all over.
It affects people emotionally
and it warps their judgement.
And then someone says,
"Maybe it's Satanic!"
And they say, "Well, the only type
of person who would do this...
...would be someone like that."
We didn't want just one opinion.
We thought the best thing to do
was basically to get...
...six or seven of the very best people,
get a wide range of views.
Every single one of the independent
experts that we approached...
...came out with the same findings.
There's no evidence that these injuries
occurred while they were alive.
There's no evidence that,
as the medical examiner testified...
...they were sexually assaulted,
pulled up by the ears, fellatio involved.
The problem is bad science
drives out good science.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist
or a forensic dentist...
...to look at that serrations on the back
of that knife and say...
...that that knife made these marks.
I mean, give me a break.
That is the most ridiculous statement
that I've ever heard.
And to sell that to a jury
is unconscionable.
We flew several of these forensic
pathologists down to Arkansas...
...to meet with Dr Peretti face-to-face.
Dr Peretti listened patiently
and nodded his head.
And said he would consider all this.
But he'd concluded that this couldn't
have been caused by a turtle...
...and that's kind of where
he drew his line.
Now here all this information comes in.
I start seeing a totally
different kind of situation.
This is not a lust murder...
...where the killer is going after
the genital areas of the victim.
This is what's starting to develop to me
as a personal-cause homicide...
...directed at these children, but maybe
one more than-- More than others.
In all probability this person
would have been interviewed.
Should have been by now, because
he would be the logical person.
There's a connection with the victims.
The person who killed those three kids
is still out there walking on the street.
To me, that would seem like
the highest priority. Not this case.
Not me, Jason or Jessie.
You know, don't get me wrong...
...we're thankful for the support
that people give us.
But the main thing
I would be thinking about...
...is there's someone who killed three
kids still living in my neighbourhood.
If you disregard the state's
Satanic ritual theory...
...the entire nature
of the crime changes.
It starts you thinking, "Maybe we're not
looking for these extreme suspects.
We're looking for someone
who's kind of ordinary, invisible."
So at that point we thought we should
put more funding into the DNA testing.
We're getting packages and shipments
of all sorts of DNA samples...
...that we're then forwarding
on to our DNA expert.
Out there was a process
that was going on...
...that either would be the impetus
for exoneration...
...or would be the state's last chance...
...to demonstrate in this controversial
case that he was good for it.
And Damien's reaction to that was...
...that he was absolutely adamant
about the DNA testing.
Of all the samples and all the various
hairs and things that got tested...
...there was nothing,
none of the DNA came back.
Nothing matched Damien,
Jason or Jessie.
What was interesting, however,
were some unknown hairs.
There was one hair in particular...
...that was in the binding
of one of the ligatures.
The boys had their hands
tied with shoelaces...
...and right in the middle of a knot
that had been tightened...
...there was a hair jammed
in that knot.
Had the hair been located anywhere
other than inside a ligature binding...
...I would say, you know,
it's not as significant as it could be.
But given its location, I think
it's particularly damning evidence.
The hair tied into Michael Moore's
ligature had to come from somebody.
So over Christmas, 2006,
we studied John Douglas's report...
...and started to think about who
that foreign profile could belong to.
"This crime was not nearly
so convoluted nor as twisted...
...as the public were led to believe.
John Douglas said that this is
most likely a personal-cause killing.
That is to say, the perpetrator knew
one or more of the victims...
...and had good reason, at least
in his own mind, to act out violently.
We know the boys were bashed
on the head, tied up...
...and thrown into the drainage ditch."
The children were submerged in water,
which is an unnecessary act...
...if you're a total--
You know, total stranger.
And an unnecessary act to throw
the bicycles into the bayou.
"We know that all of this
could have happened...
...in the space of just 20 minutes.
It almost certainly happened
before dark...
...which means the crime in all
likelihood occurred between the hours...
...of 6:30 and 7:45 p.m.
Who knew these boys
well enough to kill them?
Who was out looking for them?
From where I stand we are pretty much
left with a list of three people.
Mark Byers, Terry Hobbs,
and Todd Moore.
Mark Byers began looking
for Chris from 6 p.m.
Terry Hobbs was looking
for Stevie Branch from 5 p.m.
Todd Moore was out of town.
We're left with two stepfathers.
But only one of them has ever been
scrutinised as a suspect.
Byers once referred to himself
as the giant red herring of this case...
...and I think
he was speaking the truth.
That is why I am interested
in Terry Hobbs.
Hope this helps to explain
where I'm coming from.
Sending much love to you, Fran."
We were working with
a private investigator, Rachael Geiser...
...and we asked Rachael
to start to investigate Terry.
I'd come in to work daily,
and I would have...
...all of these e-mails from Fran about:
"Here's what we need to do,
thanks for what you sent."
We really didn't know
a whole lot about Stevie...
...because Stevie's life
was kind of confusing.
These are the photographs
of Steven Branch.
You had his father, Stevie,
his biological father.
- Here we can see....
- You had Pam, and then you had Terry.
Other than the fact that nothing's there,
there's nothing that would raise flags.
And so getting Terry's DNA
became a priority for us now...
...and the brief to Rachael was really
get Terry's DNA without him knowing.
Saturday morning,
it was raining out, I remember...
...and we showed up
at his house early...
...and he opened the door,
and we told him who we were.
He said,
"I've been expecting y'all."
I'll never forget it, he was like,
"Come on in."
I remember we sat there with him
for a while, and he, you know....
He was a likeable-enough guy,
he really was.
He talked about their life
and how their life was.
He didn't talk a whole lot about Pam.
I think they were fighting at the time.
And he didn't talk, really,
about Amanda at all.
He interviewed with us,
told us where he was.
He said that was the first time
he'd ever told anyone his whereabouts.
So we waited in the living room while
he was in the bathroom, I assume...
...and that's when I took the cigarette
butts out of the ashtray. Yeah.
We got the fax,
and I'm reading the fax...
...and I'm reading the fax,
and at some point I said, "Holy fuck."
We all were just kind of stunned to see
this very dramatic DNA result.
Terry comes in, sits down,
and we tell him, you know....
The DNA that was found
on the hair doesn't match...
...Damien or Jason or Jessie.
So it's somebody else's DNA.
They don't know whose?
- Tell me.
- Yours.
No.
Yes, it is.
No, that's wrong.
We had to get him to come in
because we knew...
...that he didn't voluntarily give us
this DNA.
We wanted to get either a voluntary
sample or we need to see him...
...do something, you know,
that would have left his DNA.
Terry Hobbs would not, at any point,
give me his DNA voluntarily, no.
The biggest bombshell
of the new defence investigation...
...is that an unexplained hair that could
be from another victim's stepfather...
...was found on shoelaces
at the crime scene.
They say the DNA matches victim Stevie
Branch's stepfather, Terry Hobbs.
Hobbs tells me tonight, quote,
"I don't have anything to hide.
I'll answer any questions."
Do you feel like the attorneys
are accusing you of this crime?
The answer to that would be no.
Is it possible, Mr Hobbs,
that that was your hair?
Sure, it was his son, Steven Branch...
...who was murdered, and he's had
to deal with this for the last 15 years.
The first tattoos I got
was my parents' name...
...because I love them
more than anything in the world.
I've abused drugs for many years
and I'm only 21...
...and I feel like it's because
I'm trying to hide.
I did it to suppress something,
to cover something up.
And where are your kids
during this time, at your mom's?
They live with my mom.
And so why don't you stay
with your mom?
She thinks I'm too wild.
So she says, "You can't stay here
because you're too wild"?
And I'm hung out on a limb.
What's that mean,
you're hung out on a limb?
That I'm going crazy the way she did
when Stevie died.
Once Terry Hobbs surfaced,
it certainly advanced things.
It helped shift the momentum.
The West Memphis Police Department
realised...
...that they had never actually
interviewed him...
...despite the fact that he was
a stepfather of one of the victims.
They quickly conducted an interview
with Terry Hobbs in 2007.
Anything unusual
when you got home, at all?
Nothing other than, uh,
Stevie wasn't home.
Terry Hobbs said to everyone
that he was very concerned...
...when Stevie Branch didn't
come home at 4:30 that night.
If he was so worried at 4:30,
why didn't he call Stevie's mom?
When he does finally tell her,
9:00, almost five hours later.
This person knows that he will be
a logical suspect at some point...
...but what he needs,
he needs time on his hands.
He needs to establish an alibi.
We studied his movements that night.
He had spent some period of time
on the evening of May the 5th...